Episodes

Tuesday Apr 15, 2025
A Challenging Conversation with the Sideways Pod Team
Tuesday Apr 15, 2025
Tuesday Apr 15, 2025
We have something different for you on this episode. Instead of an interview with a guest, we have a conversation with the whole Sideways team. If you're a regular listener to this podcast, you know that we often ask our guests to talk about a sideways moment in their life. A time they got into conflict, what happened, how they responded, what they learned. Well, we had one of those moments within our team and we decided to record ourselves talking about it. The conflict arose during final production of our episode with Antonio Williams about the N-word. What happened will be explained here in a moment. All six members of the Sideways team participated in the conversation and we invite you to join us as we work through our own Sideways moment.

Saturday Mar 15, 2025
S5E9: Seeing Whiteness with Robin DiAngelo
Saturday Mar 15, 2025
Saturday Mar 15, 2025
In this episode, we talk with Robin DiAngelo about seeing whiteness. She is an educator, author, and consultant with over 20 years experience working on issues of racial and social justice. She teaches in the education department at the University of Washington. Her 2018 book, White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism, was a New York Times bestseller, and it's been translated into 13 languages. We spoke with Robin DiAngelo at the 2024 White Privilege Conference in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Wednesday Feb 26, 2025
S5E8: Selling Hope with Edwin Cleophas
Wednesday Feb 26, 2025
Wednesday Feb 26, 2025
In this episode, we talk with Edwin Cleophas about life for people of color in South Africa today, and about the work of his nonprofit organization, the Social Justice Agency. He's a longtime youth development specialist based in the Western Cape region of South Africa.
We also welcome guest co-host and Sideways Pod producer Norma Johnson.

Thursday Jan 23, 2025
Bonus Episode: Voices of the WPC 2024 featuring Dr. Eddie Moore Jr.
Thursday Jan 23, 2025
Thursday Jan 23, 2025
The White Privilege Conference (WPC) is a powerful and unique learning opportunity that invites participants to learn about and practice anti-racism. This episode features short conversations with conference participants as well as some highlights from past interviews with WPC founder Dr. Eddie Moore Jr. Sideways Pod is a proud sponsor of the conference and we encourage the Sideways Pod community to check it out! Click here to learn more about the conference and to register. Hope to see you there!

Wednesday Jan 15, 2025
S5E7: Faith, Diversity, and Conflict Resolution with Sarah Leer
Wednesday Jan 15, 2025
Wednesday Jan 15, 2025
In this episode, we talk with Sarah Leer about belonging and broadening diversity in traditional faith communities. Dr. Sarah Leer is a practical theologian who works with young people in the Presbyterian Church and in other faith-based institutions. Her work focuses on affirmation and deepening of belonging, especially in solidarity with LGBTQIA+ people. We spoke with Sarah Leer at the 2024 White Privilege Conference in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Wednesday Jan 01, 2025
S5E6: How Do We Repair? with Ryan Virden
Wednesday Jan 01, 2025
Wednesday Jan 01, 2025
In this episode, we talk with Ryan Virden about history and about the wound of whiteness. He's an educator, author, and the founder of LIR Cultural Coaching. We spoke with Ryan Virden at the 2024 White Privilege Conference.

Sunday Dec 15, 2024
S5E5: Justice AI with Christian Ortiz
Sunday Dec 15, 2024
Sunday Dec 15, 2024
In this episode, we talk with Christian Ortiz about using artificial intelligence to help improve communication and understanding around bias. He's an entrepreneur, founder of Mod Atlas Media, and the developer of Justice A.I.

Wednesday Dec 11, 2024
S5E4: Beyond Intractability with Heidi Burgess
Wednesday Dec 11, 2024
Wednesday Dec 11, 2024
In this episode, we talk with Heidi Burgess about intractable conflict and the challenges of dialogue. She is the co-founder and co-director of the Conflict Information Consortium. With her partner, Guy Burgess, they started the consortium while at the University of Colorado. Since their retirement, they continue to run it as an independent resource. They also maintain a website called Beyond Intractability.

Friday Oct 04, 2024
S5E3: Open your Heart with Mary Zinn
Friday Oct 04, 2024
Friday Oct 04, 2024
In this episode, we talk with Mary Zinn about strategies for having difficult conversations and about how engaging in conflict can help us learn and grow. She's been involved in conflict resolution for well over 30 years as an activist, educator, and mediator. Mary Zinn is also a member of the Well That Went Sideways! production team.

Sunday Sep 22, 2024
S5E2: Love and Justice with Dr. Durryle Brooks
Sunday Sep 22, 2024
Sunday Sep 22, 2024
In this episode, we talk with Durryle Brooks about centering love in racial justice work, and about how he approaches diversity and social justice learning opportunities for leaders through his organization, Love and Justice Consulting. He's also the author of Reconceptualizing Love: Moving Towards a Critical Theory of Love in Education for Social Justice. We spoke with Durryle Brooks at the 2024 White Privilege Conference in Tulsa, Oklahoma.